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Date       04-13-92 08:45:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Mike Barefield
Subject        QUALIFICATION TO TO B

 MB> Yes.  There is no room for another.  Jesus said I am "the" way.
 MB> If there were to be another way He would say so.  All those who
 MB> claim there is another are decievers and are decieved by the
 MB> great deciever - Satan.

 I suppose that must include the Holy Bible too:

 REV 2:17    He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto
 the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden
 manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a NEW NAME
 written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth [it].

 REV 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my
 God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of
 my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem,
 which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him]
 my NEW NAME.

 I assure you that Rev. Moon is God's third son.  Adam was His first,
 Jesus the second, and finally in 1920 God's third son was born in Korea.

 Unless you really dig deep and find the lesson taught about the second
 coming of Elijah, you won't be able to understand the second coming of
 Christ.  Let me know if you need help in understanding how the second
 coming of Elijah took place and I will give you some hints.

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Date       04-13-92 08:56:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Mike Barefield
Subject        QUALIFICATION TO TO B

 MB> If he does not proclaim Jesus as the only way to the Father he
 MB> is preaching another gospel and falls under Paul's warning of
 MB> being accursed.

 Rev. Moon began his ministry as a result of Jesus appearing to him and
 anointing him with the mission to establish the kingdom of God on
 earth. The way I see it, Rev. is following Jesus' instructions and
 teaching the way to the Father.  Do you remember the Jewish people had
 this same problem you are having.  They said Jesus was destroying the
 law of Moses. They didn't pray and seek God's point of view.  Will you?

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Date       04-13-92 09:00:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Mike Barefield
Subject        QUALIFICATION TO TO B

 MB> Matt 24:23-26 Jesus warns of Moon and others like him.
 MB> Then if any one says to you, "Behold, here is the Chist, or
 MB> There He si, do not believe him.  For false Christs and false
 MB> prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as
 MB> to mislead, if possible, even the elect.  Behold, I  have told
 MB> you in advance. If there therefore they say to you Behold, He is
 MB> in the Wilderness do not go forth, or Behold, He is in the inner
 MB> rooms do not believe them.

 Why would we need a warning about a false Christ if a true one was not
 going to come someday.  Such scripture should say that Christ will
 return like a bird or spaceship and not to believe anyone else.  But
 scripture cleary teaches we have to be careful not to be deceived.
 There is NO POSSIBILITY of deception if Christ was to circumnavaigate
 the earth and literally "swoop" people up in to the air.   I really
 don't see how anyone could believe such an event could literally take
 place.

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Date       04-13-92 09:08:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Dean Scott
Subject    universes

 DS> So, when I ask these questions on physics, I'm just exercising
 DS> my mental facilties.  Maybe you could rethink those questions
 DS> for me and conjure up a more scientific reply.

 Well, I'm not sure I could do that. But if I could I'm pretty sure that
 would be off topic for this conference.  Mostlikely there are other
 conferences that are designed specifically for questions on physics.

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Date       04-13-92 14:54:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Michael Jenkinson
Subject    Holiness

 MJ> Gee, Terry, just a few messages back, in order to justify your
 MJ> belief that sinless children were possible, you quoted Matt
 MJ> 16:26 "with God all things are possible"  Now, you turn around
 MJ> and say "I don't think God has the potential to materialize in a
 MJ> human form and impregnate a woman."  A little contradiction,
 MJ> perhaps?

 Oops, you caught me.  I didn't get away with that one.

 MJ> Besides, Mary was not impregnated by God in a human form, that
 MJ> is totally contrary to scripture. Check out Matt. 1:20, she was
 MJ> impregnated by the Holy Spirit.

 My mistake, I though you were a Mormon but after I sent out the message
 I realized the Mormon was another guy.

 I don't believe God impregnated Mary in ANY form.  Zacharias was the
 man's house she went to, and it was his wife he saluted, immediately
 when she received the revelation that she was to be the handmaiden of
 the lord.  Jesus and John the Baptist were half-brothers.  Another Cain
 Able setup which ended in disaster when John made Jesus look like a
 liar.

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Date       04-13-92 15:00:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Michael Jenkinson
Subject    Jesus married????

 MJ> Prove Jesus was married!!

 Prove he wasn't.

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Date       04-13-92 15:01:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Mike Barefield
Subject        QUALIFICATION TO TO B

 MB> Not a problem.  I would still like to understand why you would
 MB> look for another when Jesus clearly said that He is the Way.  By
 MB> your approach, every demon from hell proclaiming to the the 4th,
 MB> 5th, to nth son of God would fool you as well. Listen to the
 MB> Bible's warning and beware of those like Moon who wish to
 MB> destroy.

 First we have to realize what it is that Rev. Moon is seeking to
 destroy. I happen to know that he is destroying the work of the devil.
 So in that case, I'm all for destruction.   Second, Rev. Moon is the
 younger brother to Jesus Christ.  Demons don't like that.  Still I
 humbly ask you to pray and seek God guidance.  If Rev. Moon is God's son
 then anyone who sincerely and humbly wants to know will get
 confirmation if they ask.

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Date       04-13-92 15:04:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Mike Barefield
Subject        QUALIFICATION TO TO B

 MB> The Jews did not understand the coming of Christ.

 But I can assure you that you don't either.  You don't understand how
 the return of Elijah took place so you can't understand how the return
 of Christ will take place.

 MB>But to us it
 MB> has been clearly revealed in the New Testament for all those who
 MB> wish to believe.

 Jesus said John the Baptist was the second coming of Elijah and you
 haven't accepted that.  Try to understand how a second coming takes
 place.

 MB> Yet Jesus, the Messiah, warned of Moon and you
 MB> will not hear His warning.  Listen to the command of the Lord.
 MB> Moon listened to a demon and is being used by Satan to deceive.

 Can a house divided against itself stand?  If you knew what Rev. Moon wa
 doing you could not make the assertions you have written.

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Date       04-13-92 15:08:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Mike Barefield
Subject        QUALIFICATION TO TO B

 MB> We need the warning because false Christs were coming - like
 MB> Moon. Listen to the Lord and His warning.

 I have heard the warnings.  But I'm not going to deny that God has shown
 me the manifestation of Christ.  I tell you plainly, clearly and without
 any reservation that God has revealed to me that Rev. Moon is a man of
 God who is going to fulfill the role to complete the work that Jesus
 began -- the realization of the kingdom of God on earth.

 Look, I didn't fall off the apple truck yesterday.  I've been around for
 40 years and I am fairly educated, I own and operate a fairly successful
 business, there is not a trace of insanity in my life, I have a wife and
 three great kids, I have lived in many countries throughout the world
 and I have been following Rev. Sun Myung Moon for almost 16 years.  You
 can not simply sweep my testimony under the rug like you would do for a
 confused teenager.  Please listen to what I'm telling you and pray about
 it without prejudgement.  That's all that I am asking.

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Date       04-13-92 15:20:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Mike Barefield
Subject        QUALIFICATION TO TO B

 MB> The event will take place.  If you have trouble with this then
 MB> what about the parting of the Red Sea, or the flood, or the
 MB> ressurection, or healings, or a new heaven and a new earth, or
 MB> creation.  What part are you willing to throw out to believe in
 MB> Moon.

 I wasn't there at the time Moses parted the sea, or when Noah built the
 boat, nor when the resurrection and healing took place.... but I am here
 now and the second coming of Christ has taken place as scripture
 testified:

 LUK 17:20  And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom
            of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of
            God cometh not with observation:

 MAR 8:12   And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth this
            generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There
            shall no sign be given unto this generation.

 MB> Terry, turn to the only begotten Son of God.  He is waiting for
 MB> you.

 I have not turned away. I'm doing what Jesus wants you to do.  Have you
 asked him?

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Date       04-13-92 15:25:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Gary Sibio
Subject    Qualifications to be Huma

 GS> TB>> So was it impossible for Jesus to father sinless children?
 GS> How did his human mother do it? <<
 GS>
 GS> Jesus was not interested in fathering children.

 How do you know that.  He obviously wanted to stay alive and do
 something.  He even prayed till he sweated blood asking God to let the
 cup of death pass from him.  Do you think Jesus Christ, the son of God
 would offer such a prayer out of cowardly fear of loosing his own life?
 Even people like Nathan Hale did not pray such a prayer and he was
 giving his life only for his country -- not for the salvation of the
 whole world.

 GS> There is nothing
 GS> in the Bible or in Sacred Tradition which would indicate that He
 GS> was. To speak of whether any children He would have had would
 GS> have been sinless is idle speculation.

 Why?  If you can't realize that Jesus came to restore the failure of
 Adam and restore the family, then what hope do you have of understanding
 what the second coming of Christ will be all about?

 GS> If I remember right you
 GS> believe that Moon and his wife have had sinless children.
 GS> (Please correct me if I am wrong on that point.) Only Jesus
 GS> Himself is sinless in His strength. Even Mary was sinless

 How could Mary's mother have a sinless child?  Whoever had the first
 one, I want to find out how they did it and do it myself.  At least we
 finally agree that it is possible.  Now we should figure out how to do
 it ourself.

 GS> only because she was redeemed from the moment of conception and
 GS> protected by a special grace because she was to be the mother of
 GS> Jesus. No one else has ever been or will ever be sinless.

 Whose side are you on?  That kind of gloom and doom talk sounds like it
 coming from some pretty low spirits.  Why can't God have more sinless
 Children...  Do you think God likes children with sin?  You MUST think
 more deeply about these questions.

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Date       04-13-92 15:37:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Gary Sibio
Subject    Qualifications to Be Huma

 GS> Do you believe the power and love of God can overcome sin to the
 GS> point that humans will not sin? <<
 GS>
 GS> Not this side of Heaven.

 Really ?   Would you do me a favor and reread the sentence you responded
 to?  I just can't accept your answer.  You seem to be saying you believe
 the power of Satan is stronger than the love of God.

 GS> TB>> I believe that once fallen people get a taste of divine
 GS> love the taste of fallen love will no longer be as attractive.
 GS> Man must have been created with the ability to live without
 GS> sinning. <<

 GS> Man was created to have free will - a choice. Unfortunately,
 GS> Adam and Eve chose to listen to Satan. If they had not done so,
 GS> we might have remained sinless but, since they did not, the
 GS> question is moot.

 So restoration back to our original state is now a total impossibility?
 How can you think that God will never gain victory over evil?

 GS> TB>>Sinning isn't a qualification to become human is it? <<
 GS>
 GS> There is no such thing as _becoming_ human. You are conceived a
 GS> human and you will remain a human no matter what you do or what
 GS> happens to you. Therefore, no, sin does not make us _become_
 GS> human. However, to be human is to be sinful (except in the
 GS> special cases of Jesus and Mary). Sinfulness is a characteristic
 GS> of the human nature.

 So you think one must sin to be human?  You kinda talked in a circle and
 ended up saying that sinfulness is a characteristic of the human nature.
 Was the sinless person, Jesus, non-human?   Was his mother
 non-humanness?

 I have to admit there is one thing that I can't figure out about the
 belief that Mary was sinless... why was only one of her children
 sinless?  Shouldn't they all have been sinless if their mother was
 sinless?  Was Mary sort of temporarily sinless?  I just can't grasp that
 concept. Maybe you could explain it farther.

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Date       04-13-92 15:48:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Paul Thompson
Subject    What is truth?        1/

 PT>     not.  She was not a liar.  Rather, she was using theocratic
 PT> war     strategy, hiding the truth by action and word for the
 PT> sake of     ministry."-The Watchtower 1957 May 1 p. 285
 PT>
 PT> Jesus did not congratulate Peter for his lie in denying that he

 I can't believe you would throw common sense completely out the window.
 Why do you think Jesus Christ often told his followers: "Go tell no one"
 ????????????      Is not telling something the same as hiding the truth?

 What would you say if your kids came into the room where you were making
 love to your wife and asked you what you were doing?  Never mind, I
 don't want to hear it.

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Date       04-13-92 15:51:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Paul Thompson
Subject    What is truth?        2/

 PT> In conclusion, how do I know all this is true?  Because I was a
 PT> Jehovah's Witness for over 30 years.  Though I am no longer a
 PT> member of that religion, I now have a much stronger faith in
 PT> Christ, and a confidence that his Way of love will assure us of
 PT> a place in His

 Humm, did you know the Jewish tradition practiced capital punishment for
 two crimes?  1. adultery of a betrothel girl  2. apostasy and slander of
 the Jewish faith.

 Jesus said:  LUK 9:62    And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his
 hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

 Just thought you may like to know those facts.

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Date       04-13-92 15:57:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Gary Sibio
Subject    Who's Saving Who(m?)

 GS> In this sense I am taking salvation to mean going to Heaven when
 GS> you die. My comment was directed at those who believe that we
 GS> can know without any doubt, while they are still alive, that
 GS> they will go to Heaven when they die. That teaching, although it
 GS> is held by many Christians, does not stand up in the light of
 GS> the Bible.

 I agree with that.

 GS> TB>> Is there something inherent within the physical body that
 GS> can never be overcome that keeps up separated from God?   Has
 GS> the physical body that God created become a stumbling block that
 GS> prevented living humans from being one with God and prevented
 GS> God from dwelling among men?  Must humans sin. Is sin a
 GS> requirement to be human? <<
 GS>
 GS> I don't see the problem as being physical. It is part of our
 GS> human nature but our sinfulness is not the result of anything in
 GS> the way of tissue. Read the Sermon on the Mount. Here Jesus
 GS> shows us that sin can be just as much an attitude as an action.
 GS> For example, to lust is the same as having sexual intercourse
 GS> outside of marriage. To hate is the same as murder. St. John
 GS> speaks of sin in terms of lust and pride (1 John 2:16).
 GS>
 GS> As I said in another post, we already are human. It is not a
 GS> matter of becoming. Sin comes with the territory.

 But how can we enter a new land?  The "territory" where we have been
 dwelling if unfit for our health.  Isn't it time to move on?

 How does one become a saint?  They must adopt a new attitude, a new way
 of thinking and loving.  So we have many examples of people who stepped
 outside the box and they became famous because they transcended the
 "territory."   Didn't Jesus command us to do that?  :

 MAT 5:48∙Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in
 heaven is perfect.

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Date       04-13-92 18:57:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Ronald Kinietz
Subject    Jesus and family

 TB> Now you know why Satan was so eager to enter Judas and participate
 TB> with Jesus' murder.  That prevented Jesus from becoming a parent and
 TB> fulfilling the second blessing of multiplying, giving God
 TB> grandchildren.

 RK> Then why did Jesus look at Peter and rebuked the devil? Peter
 RK> tried to stop Jesus from going to the cross..and Jesus blasted
 RK> him right there.

 Because at that point it was too late.  Jesus had already been betrayed
 and Peter, James, and John had failed to stay awake and pray with Jesus
 in the garden the night before.  If you can understand Jesus' ministry
 in the time frame that these events took place, you can understand the
 answers to these questions without my help.  Jesus began his ministry by
 teaching people to repent, saying that the kingdom of heaven was at
 hand.  The people did not do anything Jesus instructed.  He told them
 clearly that the will of God was for them to have faith and believe that
 he (Jesus) was the son of God.   Everywhere Jesus went and spoke he was
 accused of violating the law of Moses and often the people took up
 stones and Jesus had to flee for his life.  Eventually John the Baptist,
 who had a very honorable, respectable reputation ( even some people
 thought John the Baptist was the Messiah ) baptized Jesus and received
 the revelation from God and witnessed to the fact that Jesus was the son
 of God.   But, John did not follow or wittiness to Jesus any more after
 that.  John even lost faith.  So what were the people to think?  Finally
 the question came up concerning Mal. 4:5 that said before the Messiah
 would come Elijah would return.  So obviously the people who wanted to
 believe that Jesus was the Christ wanted to know where was Elijah, and
 why he had not come.  Jesus explained that John the Baptist was in the
 position to take the mission of Elijah and fulfill the prophecy of
 Elijah's second coming.  Obviously the people wanted this claim verified
 by John the Baptist himself... but when they went to ask John if he was
 fulfilling the mission of Elijah, he contradicted Jesus, making Jesus
 appear to be a liar.  Since they already had thought that John the
 Baptist may be the Christ and they thought Jesus was doing the work of
 the devil, all hope was lost.  Jesus ministry at that point became a
 tragedy.  Jesus tried to indemnify the failure of John and the people by
 fasting 40 days and overcoming the 3 temptations.  After the fasting and
 temptations, Jesus began a new ministry and tried once again to restore
 the foundation John had built up.  But it was not possible.  Persecution
 and unrest followed him everywhere and eventually Jesus realized that he
 would be murdered.  Before his crucifixion, however, he made a desperate
 attempt to get his 3 main apostles to unite and pray with him.  But even
 that effort failed and Jesus was then murdered.

 RK> have praided that your faith remain strong." Satan wanted simon

 What Satan wanted was for Jesus to make a public announcement that
 he was not the Christ to save his physical life and slide into obscurity
 and never be heard of again.  There would have been no Christianity and
 no preparation for the return of Christ.

 RK> gave satan Judas, because judas was a theif robbing the
 RK> collection plates and Jesus still ran an effective ministry.
 RK> Judas was never saved from the begining, he was eaten up with
 RK> envy, and strife.

 You have just described a man who clearly was not on God's side so how
 can you assume that when Satan entered Judas and he then betrayed Christ
 he was doing anything to help support the will of God?  The betrayal of
 Christ played a key role in Jesus crucifixion.  How can we believe the
 crucifixion was the will of God since it was brought about through
 Satan's participation?  Satan does not cooperate with God's will.

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Date       04-13-92 19:51:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Deborah Kinietz
Subject    Rightly Dividing

 DK> Don't know if i should jump in here or not,

 Jump in... always jump in.

 DK> I really hate to
 DK> break the news to you but you will be accountable for everything
 DK> you do here on earth and you won't be able to make anything up.

 I know that.  I was making a sly remark to show people how silly it is
 to think that God will be asking me what I did with my life... as if He
 had to depend on my memory and interpretation in order to judge me.

 DK> God knows your heart and knows what you do wether you think he
 DK> does or not. You can't hide from God, you can try but it won't
 DK> happen.

 We are in total agreement here.  That is EXACTLY the point I was
 sarcastically making when I said that I would just make something up.

 DK> I don't know all there is to know about your Rev. Moon

 Hang around the right people and you may find out who he really is.
 Also talk to God and get the inside story.  AND keep reading my
 messages, I know enough about Rev. Moon to answer some of the simpler
 questions.

 DK> but I do know this it says in the bible let no man decieve you
 DK> it sounds to me like your being decieved real good. Just a
 DK> comment take it or leave it.

 Well, it is obvious that one of us are deceived.  Now we just have to
 try and figure out who.   It may not be easy.   But if we both pray
 seriously enough, the truth will have a chance to shine through till we
 see the Sun.

 BTY,  I don't think we have exchanged thoughts. Welcome if you are new
 here.  Send me a message and tell me about yourself.  What faith do you
 belong to and why are you interested in religion.

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Date       04-13-92 20:04:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Ronald Kinietz
Subject    the last days

 RK>     I have a sever problem with your posts...You seem to add
 RK> this Rev     moon's name in to scripture where it has nothing to
 RK> do with the     Bible. Are you reading the Bible or are you
 RK> reading a book written     by rev moon? Did you add his name or
 RK> did he?

 Geee,  I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't.  I've been
 participating in this Open Bible conference for over two and a half
 years and if I entered 4 or 5 messages without saying I am a follower of
 the Rev. Sun Myung Moon, I would get back all kinds of accusations
 saying that I was ashamed and trying to hide the fact that I was
 associated with him.  Now I am hearing that I should kinda keep it
 quiet? What am I to do?

 RK> You see my bible tells me that many are going to come in Jesus's
 RK> name, and they are going to decieve many. they will say look he
 RK> is in the upper room, or he is over there...but don't go...you
 RK> will know that as lightning shines from the east to the west so
 RK> also will be the coming of the Son of Man.  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 Humm, I thought Rev. Moon came from the east?  to the west?  He must be
 the Son of Man!

 RK> I have been reading these posts in the religion sections and are
 RK> quite amazed at some peoples responses.

 If you can be more specific about what is amazing I would appreciate it.

 RK>  (Some of mine are
 RK> shocking too) But most diffrences here are in doctrine. The
 RK> questions are are the doctrines based on the bible or are they
 RK> based on mans doctirnes. I would prefer the doctrines of the
 RK> bible and not of man.

 Wouldn't we all?  The problem is that no one has ever participated in
 this conference who was raised void of any information about the Bible,
 then one day it was handed to them and they were told to read it and
 tell us what it means... without any influence from anyone.  I know
 beyond a doubt that if such a person was available that they would not
 come up with the same interpretation you hold.  You were clearly
 influenced and persuaded to interpret the Bible in a unique way.  So the
 only solution is to find someone who has had a revelation from Jesus
 Christ and then study that revelation till we clearly understand it and
 then take the possible conclusions to God in prayer and get
 confirmation.   Do you have a better idea?

 RK> You see Jesus even said something about that too.
 RK> If I were you, and I am not, I would be very careful about what
 RK> you are saying and doing.

 Do you realize I also have the same advice for you?  If God has indeed
 revealed a new message to man and you fail to find it you could very
 easily end up like the chosen people of 2,000 years ago.  You will lose
 your blessing.   Read the parable of the vineyard and the parable of the
 talents to get the gist of what I'm telling you.

 RK> I will pray for you that Jesus removes
 RK> the scales off your eyes and that you see the light.

 Well, it is noble to pray for me, but it is even more noble to pray we
 can work together and try to discover the heart of God and do His will.

 RK> He saved a wretch like me He can surly save you too!

 First, you must realize that I am already saved, and I recognized you
 are too.  The message God has revealed through Rev. Moon is all about
 going BEYOND salvation to start on the road of restoration,
 sanctification, and rebuild the ideal world God intended from the
 beginning.  If you are satisfied with just being saved, then we probably
 won't have much to talk about in the future...  BUT if you are
 interested in finding God's plan for restoring the world to His original
 ideal, establishing the kingdom of God on earth, then we will be very
 busy for the next few years and probably the rest of our life.


 One last note:  Please don't be offended or take this personal, but I
 can't spell either.  If you are using an offline reader, there is a
 program called ShareSpell  ( SS23.zip ) on most bbs's.  Running this
 program over my messages has helped me immensely.  AND I couldn't spell
 immensely without it!  <grin>

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Date       04-13-92 19:40:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Ronald Kinietz
Subject    WAIT NO LONGER !

 RK> I beg to differ with you about that one.

 Well, if we agreed on everything this conference would be very dull
 indeed.

 RK> ..though things may seem running rampant right
 RK> now, and at times even out of control. Jesus knows what he is
 RK> doing. You can bet on that one. Satan is having the field day,

 Let's see if I understand your logic?  Satan is having a field day but
 Jesus has everything under control.  Is that what your church teaches?
 May I suggest you look into some other teachings.

 RK> God knows what He is doing. Satan is defeated,

 Now you say that Satan is defeated but you just said he is having a
 field day...  this is getting stranger by the moment.  I'm kinda scared
 to read your next line.

 RK> and is running
 RK> scared, as he knows that he is beat. There is a shaking coming,
 RK> and those that are left will become his Glorified Body, and He
 RK> will be the Head, running things. What an awesome day for some
 RK> and a nightmare for the others! I for one, can not wait for that
 RK> day!

 Well you don't have to wait any longer.  Jesus Christ appeared to Rev.
 Moon in 1935 and anointed him with the mission to finish the
 construction of the kingdom of God on earth. Rev. Moon was born of God,
 Jesus' younger brother.  The day you have been waiting on is here.  You
 can now join God's team, represent your faith, your ancestral lineage,
 your race and your nation and take part in the most historical even ever
 to occur in the history of the world.

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Date       04-13-92 22:47:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Bob Eastman
Subject     God told me

 BE> And the Messiah doesn't head up a materialistic corporate
 BE> empire. Jesus lived meekly and simply among men.

 Yeah, like he had a choice.  Did you know his own treasure sold him for
 30 pieces of silver?

 BE> Moon is wealthy beyond reason.

 You have been reading too many comic books.  Come back to the real
 world.

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Date       04-13-92 22:49:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Bob Eastman
Subject     Moon

 TB> Let me see if I understand what you are trying to say:  "You think
 TB> Jesus has dominion over the earth now?"  Jesus doesn't even have
 TB> dominion over christianity.  There are hundreds of denominations,
 TB> splintering his body beyond any potential to function as a force
 TB> against evil.

 BE> Sounds like you need to learn something about just what the
 BE> Church is.

 Oh, here we go with some kind of mystical philosophy....

 BE> It is not an outward organization, but the invisible
 BE> Body of Christ which makes up the true Church.

 Just as I suspected...    This hypothetical congregation sounds real
 nice, but unfortunately it does not exist... beyond the realm of the
 imagination.

 BE> Being a member of
 BE> some man-made religious organization (or denomination) makes no
 BE> difference, as the Lord knows those who are His.

 Sounds like you are loner...    Maybe there in one more denomination
 than I first expected?

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Date       04-14-92 07:28:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Gary Johnson
Subject    GOD TOLD ME

 GJ> Huh? when Rev. Moon teaches things that are not scripturally
 GJ> sound, or in fact may contradict what the Bible says, he is
 GJ> indeed leading people to destruct
 GJ> on. I have sat here and watched you talk about Rev. Moon's
 GJ> teachings and see
 GJ> just how far away from sound Biblical teaching he has wandered.

 You sound EXACTLY like the scribes and pharisees who sat back and
 accused Jesus of breaking the laws of Moses.  They didn't know what they
 were talking about and neither do you.  Those so called "sound" biblical
 doctrines of yours are man made interpretations that are doing the real
 destruction.

 GJ> So Terry, think about this. If you are being misled by Moon,
 GJ> then when judgement
 GJ> comes, you could be very sorry. One of us is absolutely right
 GJ> and the other is absolutely wrong. My beliefs come from God, as
 GJ> he has spoken in the Bible,

 No, my beliefs come directly from God. Your beliefs are interpretations
 that have been modified for 2,000 years.  I have the latest, most pure
 unmodified word from God. You are basing your salvation on doctrine that
 has been written and rewritten, interpreted and reinterpreted for 2,000
 years by men.  How can you even imagine that Satan didn't get the
 original message twisted during that time?  Only Satan could convince
 someone that the MURDER of Christ was the will of God.  Why don't you
 pray and ask God about what I have been telling you?  Prayer takes away
 the guesswork.

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Date       04-14-92 07:43:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Gary Johnson
Subject     MOON

 [overheard]

 GJ> published these other books, if they were excluded? And what
 GJ> makes you think
 GJ> the Bible is incomplete. I am interested in your view on this.

 First you can study the process that took place in the development of
 the modern Bible. You can also compare the Catholic and Protestant Bible
 and find a difference even today.  Second, we read in John 16:25 that
 Jesus said, "'I have said this to you in figures; the hour is coming
 when I shall no longer speak to you in figures but tell you plainly of
 the Father.'"  In John 16:12,13 we read that he also said, "'I have yet
 many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.  When the
 Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all truth; for he will not
 speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he
 will declare to you the things that are to come.'"  And in Revelation
 10:11 we read, "'You must again prophesy about many peoples and nations
 and tongues and kings.'"  Each of these passages indicates that in the
 Last Days a new expression of the truth will be given.

 However, since it will be a new revelation, there will be some aspects
 which may not be understood in light of conventional doctrine or
 tradition.  For example, even though Jesus' teachings were based on the
 Old Testament, the people of his time were bound to such a literal
 interpretation of the Old Testament that they could not understand
 Jesus.  It was for this reason that Jesus said, "' ... new wine must be
 put into fresh wineskins'" (Lk 5:38); he was teaching them that they had
 to make themselves new if they were to receive the new words.

 We know that God worked through Noah and Abraham and we know that God
 spoke through Moses and Jesus.  Is the same God, who is alive today,
 unable to give a new revelation?  The church does not need another human
 interpretation of the Bible.  What matters is how God interprets it and
 that we fulfill his Will by living it.

 There is another reason that mankind needs a new, deeper expression of
 truth.  We can clearly see the rapid collapse of modern civilization and
 of order in society with no satisfactory replacement in sight.  A
 feeling of emptiness, loneliness and discontent has let to despair,
 confusion, self-indulgence, and alcohol and drug abuse.  Confusion
 throughout society about standards of value and conduct has caused the
 strong trend toward egoism, and accompanying it, the breakdown of the
 family and the rapid increases in crime, juvenile delinquency, and all
 kinds of immorality, which are unsettling the foundations of society and
 causing a loss of hope in the future.  Violence and war, which are
 prevalent, and racism, the unequal distribution of wealth, the impotence
 of the world religions in leading the modern age, and the expansion of
 atheistic Communism all reinforce the doubts about the prospects for
 modern civilization.  None of these crises can bed completely or even
 partially solved in an instant.  A fundamental and eternal solution is
 needed.  Since God is alive, he will definitely save mankind from these
 crises through a new and revolutionary approach.

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Date       04-14-92 07:51:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Bill Cribbs
Subject    Ransom

 BC> BC> Paul received all he knew by revelation from the Spirit of
 BC> God BC> through Jesus
 BC>
 BC> TB> What a coincidence !  So did Rev. Moon.
 BC>
 BC> Except the revelation that Moon claims opposes the revelation
 BC> that Paul received.  Galatians 1:6-10.

 GAL 1:6     I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called
 you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

 And you did adopt another gospel. One that taught un-biblical gospels
 like the trinity and added mythical concepts in your creeds and
 doctrines like virgin birth's and raptures off the face of the earth,
 with a messiah coming back like a bird... and even extreme doctrines
 that accept homosexuality and fornication.  That is what many mainline
 denominations of Christianity has done.  I pray you have fled the
 abominations of the church.

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Date       04-14-92 07:57:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Bill Cribbs
Subject    Rightly Dividing

 BC> grace that He allows us to be saved through our faith.   It is
 BC> our faith in Jesus Christ that saves us.   Not our works.

 So whose responsibility is our faith.  It that our responsibility or
 God's ?

 BC> NOW....faith is followed by works.   Faith without works is
 BC> dead.   If a man says he has faith and has not works, his faith
 BC> is dead.   Works are ONLY an expression and result and REACTION
 BC> of faith.   They are not what save you.   I am saved because I
 BC> have faith in Jesus Christ.  I do works BECAUSE I have faith in
 BC> Jesus Christ.
 BC> I will be judged ACCORDING to my works.   I will receive rewards
 BC> and crowns according to my works.   NOT SALVATION.   Rewards and
 BC> crowns. The works are PROOF that I had faith.
 BC> NOW....Just as it is possible to have faith without works (dead
 BC> faith), it is equally possible to have works without faith (dead
 BC> works). Heb. 9:14.   Many people go about doing charities,

 I agree with your above paragraph.

 BC> benefits, giving, etc., etc., etc. but do not believe on the
 BC> Lord Jesus Christ.   Or they believe in another gospel.   These
 BC> works, though commendable, are dead. They must be accompanied by
 BC> true faith in Jesus Christ.   Not Moon, not the Pope, not Mary,
 BC> not Joseph Smith, Moroni, Buddha, the Lord and Lady, Confucius,
 BC> Jim Jones, Hare Krishna, Baghwan Shree Rajneesh, or any other
 BC> who proclaims a "gospel" OTHER than that which is preached by
 BC> Jesus Christ or what is written in the Bible.   Any other gospel
 BC> beside that which is written in the Bible is ACCURSED.

 I'm curious, why didn't you include St. Paul or any of the other authors
 of the New Testament on your list.  Paul was just as human and prone to
 error as Jesus' mother, the Pope, or anyone else.  Actually none of the
 people you listed ever persecuted Jesus but Paul did.  He should be
 highest on your "suspicion" list if you really thought rationally.

 BC> TB> Were people who followed St. Paul's revelation/teachings
 BC> guilty of TB> rejecting Christ?  Do you tink it was easier to
 BC> believe that St. Paul TB> met Jesus or is it easier to believe
 BC> Rev. Moon met Jesus? You shold TB> realize that people did in
 BC> fact persecute St. Paul because just as they TB> persecute Rev.
 BC> Moon, they were ignorant of the truth and never stopped TB> to
 BC> pray about it.
 BC> Paul's revelation of Jesus testified of Jesus and coincided with
 BC> what Jesus taught.  Moon's "revelation" testifies of himself.
 BC> John 5:43. Matt. 24:23-26.   Acts 4:12.

 Now I know you haven't studied Rev. Moon's teachings. Would you care to
 point out where Rev. Moon testified to himself?  He never said he was
 the second coming of Christ... I did !

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Date       04-14-92 13:54:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Walter Copes
Subject    Romans 5:12           1/

 WC>     Methinks you have a basic misunderstanding of what Paul was
 WC> saying in Romans 5.

 Don't worry, that's what most everyone says when the Bible disagrees
 with their doctrine.

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Date       04-14-92 14:00:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Walter Copes
Subject    Romans 5:12           2/

 WC> TB> I though Jesus took on the responsibility for your sins at
 WC> cal- TB> vary? Wasn't your sins transferred to someone else?
 WC>
 WC>     Not hardly. Jesus absolutely is not responsibly for our
 WC> sins. Each individual is responsible for his own and not
 WC> another's.

 Good, you are learning.  Now you can begin to understand that perfection
 and salvation is not up to God to decide.

 You still have a problem though.  You say that sin is not transmitted,
 but you do agree that you inherited sin nature from your parents don't
 you.  Where else could your sin nature have come from?

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Date       04-14-92 14:02:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Walter Copes
Subject    Romans 7:23

 WC> man can have many noble characteristics, ultimately there is
 WC> nothing in man that can overcome sin.

 Why did Jesus tell everyone to obey God?  Sin is not a qualification to
 be human.  We can overcome sin.  And now that the second coming of
 Christ has taken place, we can be adopted into his family and our
 children will be born in his lineage, free from original sin.  Your
 doctrine of gloom and doom must have come from some pretty lowly
 spirits.  It is void of hope that is common among the higher realms of
 spirit world who are nearer God.

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Date       04-14-92 14:09:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Keith Suggs
Subject     The Trinity

 KS> But you didn't answer my question.  Did Moonshine cloud your
 KS> reasoning?

 You don't really think that such silly nonsense deserves my time to you?

 KS> Besides, I never said that there was more than one
 KS> God.  But Jesus exists and the Father exists and the Holy Spirit
 KS> exists.  If you deny it, that's your privilege, but I can show
 KS> you where the Scripture says so.

 I don't deny that Jesus, the Fahter nor the Holy Spirit exists and I can
 show you scripture that says they do too.  But their mention in
 scripture has no bearing on the fact that there is only one God.

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Date       04-14-92 20:02:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Mike Barefield
Subject        QUALIFICATION TO TO B

 MB> The problem is Terry the only proof you have is that Moon says so.

 Oh !  Contrair !  I have validation from God.  You didn't know that
 people become followers of Rev. Moon because they prayed and got
 confirmation from God.   Yes,  that is the way Jesus started his Church
 2,000 years ago.  People listened to his message and then sought
 verification from God.  Jesus is using this same process to gather his
 elect from the 4 corners of the earth.  You though we were going by what
 Rev. Moon said..  ha ha ha he he   Now I know why you have been so
 confused.  Sorry I didn't make that clear in the first place.

 MB> so. It is absolutely not in the Bible.  In fact the Bible, and
 MB> Jesus Himself warns you against listening to Moon and his types.

 Where? Jesus clearly gave us guidelines about who to follow, such as:

 MAT 7:16    Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of
 thorns, or figs of thistles?   MAT 7:20  Wherefore by their fruits ye
 shall know them.

 And St. Paul added:

 1CO 6:2     Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if
 the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest
 matters?

 3JO 1:11    Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is
 good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen
 God.


 MB> If you will not listen to the Bible or its warnings how can you
 MB> hope ever find peace with God?


 JOH 5:39     Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal
 life: and they are they which testify of me.

 JOH 16:13   Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide
 you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he
 shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.


 You and I are living in two different ages, just as you are living in a
 different age from that of the Jewish faith from which your faith
 emerged, through the providence of God. God has began a new providence
 that you are having just as much difficulty understanding as the
 Israelites had when Christianity emerged.   The people who understood
 christianity were the ones who prayed for God's guidance.  I hope you
 will do what your forefathers did that enabled them to grasp the
 providential age of Christianity.  Will you pray and ask God for help to
 understand the new age that is dawning during your very life time?
 Please give it a try. That is all I can ask.

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Date       04-14-92 20:32:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Mike Barefield
Subject        QUALIFICATION TO TO B

 MB> I have accepted that John the Baptist was the second coming of
 MB> Elijah.  But it was in the spirit of Elijah, not reincarnation.
 MB> We know the prophey was fulfilled because Jesus said so.

 With that understanding, why can't you give serious consideration to the
 possibility that the second coming of Christ could take place just as
 the second coming of Elijah?  Is that unreasonable?

 MB> Terry, on the second point....  The house isn't divided.  Moon
 MB> isn't in the same house as God.  This is clear because Moon
 MB> believes he is God and God has He has only one Son that is
 MB> begotten.  The rest of us are adopted through being born again.

 See, you have made several mistakes about what Rev. Moon believes and
 teaches.  NO where does Rev. Moon teach or hint that he is God.  When
 you get such misinformation from whatever sources you consider to be
 reliable, your judgement is impaired.  In other words, you are hanging
 out with the wrong crowd.  You need to get a new perspective, step
 outside your box and seek a different viewpoint.  Old thinking in a new
 age only leads to a disaster.

 LUK 12:40   Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an
 hour when ye think not.

 MAR 13:33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time
 is.

 Isn't it possible that the time has slipped up on you?

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Date       04-14-92 20:48:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Mike Barefield
Subject        QUALIFICATION TO TO B

 MB> Terry, the truth is many have been fooled and for a long time.
 MB> I don't discount your sincerity.  And I am not putting you down.
 MB> I am concerned for you.  I would like to see you spend eternity
 MB> with Jesus.

 I appreciate that.  I do.  I only pray that you can understand what I
 have discovered.   The reality is that you probably can't while sitting
 at your computer and going about your normal daily routine.  You need to
 attend a Divine Principle seminar.  You need an experience you cannot
 get through truth alone.  Truth was not the only thing lost at the fall,
 and unless you have some way to experience the true love that was lost
 the intellectual understanding will not be sufficient.  You did not come
 to be a Christian solely because you read a Bible. You were taught by
 people that had experienced the love of Christ and that was conveyed to
 you at the same time.  When you can get yourself in a position to
 experience the love of the True Parents, Christ and his Bride, you can
 realize a new life that you do not yet know about.

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Date       04-14-92 20:57:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Ronald Kinietz
Subject    the last days

 RK> Here is where the problem lies Terry you are FOLLOWING Rev Moon
 RK> and not Jesus!

 Who told you such a thing?  Me and Rev. Moon are both following Rev.
 Moon's elder brother Jesus.  Rev. Moon began his ministry because Jesus
 appeared to him and gave him a mission.

 RK> You see there is a major problem with this.

 I understand.  Since you don't know that Rev. Moon and I am both
 laborers for Jesus then you would have a problem.  Have you prayed to
 Jesus about this?

 RK> to WORLD HARVEST CHURCH...you might see me on TV as we have a tv
 RK> ministry as part of the many out reaches to this comunity and
 RK> the world preaching the Gospel of Jesus, winning the lost.

 I'll surely watch to see what you have to say.  But you must already
 know that the major problem Jesus had to deal with was from people like
 you.  They called them Scribes and Pharisees back then.  Jesus said:

 JOH 16:2    They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time
 cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

 RK> called BREAKTHROUGH...check your tv listings and tune us in that
 RK> is if you want to see the power of the Holy Ghost moving.

 NEVER doubt that I want to see the Holy Ghost moving!  I'll look for
 "Breakthrough"  ....wave at me...  <grin>

 RK> We do not follow the PASTOR, we follow Jesus. Paul did not urge
 RK> people to FOLLOW HIM, but with the exception following him as HE
 RK> FOLLOWS JESUS. Am I making any sense here?

 Yes, but you obviously know that St. Paul was not Jesus' brother.  Now
 if he was, what would he have said?  If you find that Rev. Moon is the
 third Adam, Jesus younger brother, then you can understand why following
 Rev. Moon will take you to the same parent as following Jesus.

 I have to give you credit...  I never thought a TV minister would be
 humble enough to debate real issues.  I hope you hang around this
 conference for a while.  I also hope you forgive my harsh, abrasive
 style.∙I don't like to be that way, but I have found that unless people
 are shaken up they won't take the effort to think about and respond to
 new ideas.

 BTW, we have a church center in Columbus Ohio   641-294-4524
 in case you want any information from an authorized distributor.

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Date       04-15-92 07:59:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Lord Loki
Subject    Mind-Control and Logic

 LL> You push yourself to the point of fatigue and beyond.

 ...and dominate the flesh.     ...and meet God.

 LL> You put aside your pain when long-time associates
 LL> decide to change their philosophy, and view of life,

 ...and go the straight and narrow way.  ...and meet God.

 LL> You put aside the love for your family members by

 ...loving your enemy more.    ...and meet God.



 There are clearly two ways to go... The way of the world, which is easy
 and leads to destruction, or the way of God, which is difficult and
 difficult.

 MAT 7:14     Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way,
 which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

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Date       04-15-92 13:19:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Carla Rygula
Subject         GOOD NEWS!

 CR> Often times people imagine that Jehovah's Witnesses are cruel
 CR> and heartless because of their obeying God's law in abstaining
 CR> from blood. (Acts 15:28, 29) Jehovah's Witnesses have enough
 CR> faith in God to do what he commands of us.

 Give me a break.  No one believes you are cruel and heartless because
 you are obeying God's law, we believe you are misguide from a category
 blunder that resulted from the mistranslation of scripture.

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Date       04-15-92 16:32:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Gerard Trigo
Subject    Spirits

 VR: Any atheist/skeptic knows little about God. The physical
 VR: "logic" of man cannot understand "spiritual" things. It
 VR: is impossible.

 GT> Why is  it impossible?

 Because he can do it.  <grin>     Is Vail trying to teach us something
 that is impossible to understand that he understood?

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Date       04-15-92 21:29:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Mike Barefield
Subject    ?

 First, I need to tell you to turn off your box quoting in Megaread.
 Alt-b  b  (I think) will do that.  Those boxes won't work on Fidonet.
 Also just send messages to me under my name because this problem with
 messages to me going out unchanged to sysop is bothering other sysops
 out there in bbs land.


 MB> I have accepted that John the Baptist was the second coming Elijah.
    But it was in the spirit of Elijah, not reincarnati We know the
    prophey was fulfilled because Jesus said so.

 TB> With that understanding, why can't you give serious consideratio
    possibility that the second coming of Christ could take place ju the
    second coming of Elijah?  Is that unreasonable?


 MB> NO it is not reasonable because He said He would return with a
 MB> shout.

 But you are ignoring other scripture that says:  without observation, as
 a thief in the night, with no signs... etc.     Well, ok then... I'll
 SHOUT !   How about that?   Are your qualifications met now ? <grin>

 MB> For the Lord Himself will desend from heaven with a shout, with
 MB> the voice of an archangel, and the trumpet of God.  And the dead
 MB> in Christ will rise first.  They we who are alive and remain
 MB> shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the
 MB> Lord in the air.  And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

 In the Bible 'heaven' usually means the holy, exalted, and sinless realm
 which is under the sovereignty of good, while 'earth', its opposite,
 means the unholy, base, and sinful realm under the sovereignty of evil.
 for example, when we say, "'... Our Father who art in heaven ...'" (Mt
 6:9), we do not mean that God is located in the sky, but are referring
 to the holy and exalted realm of God's existence.  Thus to "meet the
 Lord in the air" does not mean the physical elevation of Christians to
 meet Christ in the sky, but rather refers to the development of their
 inner spiritual qualities and their serving Christ in the world of good
 sovereignty when he returns and establishes the Kingdom of Heaven on
 earth.

 MB> Terry, this is how it will be when the Lord returns.  We won't
 MB> be wondering whether it happened.  Everyone will know.

 Then we really don't have to follow Jesus' advice:  Mar 13:32:

 But of that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which
 are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Take ye heed, watch and
 PRAY: for ye know not when the time is. [For the Son of man is] as a man
 taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his
 servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh,
 at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: Lest
 coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto
 all, Watch.

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Date       04-15-92 21:16:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Mike Barefield
Subject    D

 MB> Okay Terry, I will probably regret asking this but....
 MB>
 MB> Who does Moon say he is?

 He says that he was a man who has dedicated his life to the
 establishment of the kingdom of God on earth.


 MB> God has not changed His mind.  Jesus said "it is finished".

 So why should Jesus come back at all?  Why is there still evil?  Why did
 Jesus say greater things than I have done you will do?  It seems
 apparent to me that when Jesus said "It is finished" he was referring to
 the ministry at his first coming...  NOT to be confused with the total
 restoration of mankind and the establishment of the kingdom of God on
 earth.  The kingdom of God cannot come on earth until the solution to
 the problem of procreating children with sin is found and implemented.

 MB> Sothere is no more need for another plan.

 I'm not proposing "another plan."   I am trying to help people
 understand the next step we must take in order to liberate God and
 mankind from suffering.  Jesus promised more truth would be revealed.
 That promise is what I'm fulfilling by teaching the revelation he gave
 to Rev. Moon.

 MB> Jesus completed what He
 MB> set out to do.... He came to pay for our sins and make a way for
 MB> us to become sons of God.  This He did through His death, buriel
 MB> and ressurection.

 But we are still living in sin.  I though scripture teaches that the
 purpose of the coming of the Messiah was to do away with the work of the
 devil :

 1JO 3:8 ... For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he
 might destroy the works of the devil.

 MB> OUr response in faith to this brings salvation.  Not by works
 MB> but by grace through faith in Him.  There is no need for another
 MB> plan because did it right the first time.

 Once again, I'm not proposing "another plan."  I'm simply teaching the
 truth that Jesus promised would be revealed at a later date:

 JOH 16:13   Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide
 you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he
 shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

 MB> Moon is leading you away from the Truth.

 No, no, no.  Rev. Moon is teaching an advanced course in restoration.
 Some people are simply not ready for advanced training.  They haven't
 prayed as Jesus instructed in the intermediate lessons.


 MB> The end of that way is
 MB> eternal damnation.  I hate to see that for you.  Turn to Jesus
 MB> while there is still time.

 I haven't turned away from Jesus.  I simply enrolled in his advance
 course.  He has trained his younger brother, Rev. Moon, to take the job
 of educating people who are alive on earth at this time.  You are most
 fortunate to be alive now.  If you would simply pray for Jesus to give
 you a sign you may open your heart and start to understand something
 truly remarkable.

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Date       04-15-92 21:36:00
From       Terry Blount
To         John Williams
Subject     God told me

 JW> If god expected us to see the truth immediately, he would not
 JW> have given us the flaw of being able to be fooled.

 Following that kind of logic, we would also have to conclude that if God
 had not wanted us to sin then He would have made us so we couldn't sin.

 JW> So, Rev. Moon is not leading anyone to destruction, he is mearly
 JW> taking advantage of devout
 JW> people and misusing religion.  In my opinion, of course.

 Since God allowed you to have that opinion, it could only be correct.
 Right?

 JW> From what you have said about Rev. Moon's vengenence, and what
 JW> will come of those who do not follow him, I'd rather be a pagan
 JW> than have his type of tyranical salvation.

 What did I say?   If Rev. Moon had revenge he would never have met with
 Kim Il San.

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Date       04-15-92 21:42:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Phil Morrison
Subject        GOOD NEWS!

 PM> TB> But anyone who eats ANY meat consumes some blood.  But are
 PM> you trying TB> to get people to become vegetarians?
 PM> .
 PM>     It would be an excellent use of human resources, for us to
 PM> all     become vegetarians.  There would be plenty enough food
 PM> for all. .
 PM>     Most of the world is ALREADY vegetarian, due to the cost of
 PM> meat. .
 PM>     IMHO (as an MD) ((if that is not self-contradictory...))
 PM>     ...there is much less disease in that group which eats
 PM>     friuts, grains, nuts, and vegetables.... and drinketh pure
 PM> water.

 I agree with you there.  But I do like still eat a lot of animal
 products myself.   It takes 12 times the resources to make a pound of
 beef as it does a pound of grain.  The big area this is taking its toll
 is on our pure water supply.  It takes thousands of gallons of fresh
 water to raise one cow.  And, the effect the concentration of chemicals
 in meat such as antibiotics, steroids, and pesticides are anything but
 good for us.... but the government wouldn't allow if if it weren't safe
 ...would they ?  <grin>

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Date       04-15-92 21:49:00
From       Terry Blount
To         John Williams
Subject         QUALIFICATION TO TO

 TB>  Jesus can heal them too. Since people still have aids does that
 TB>  mean that Jesus is not the Christ?

 JW> Jesus is not present.

 Humm,  I don't think you can get away with such a statement.  Watch out
 if some of the "hard liners" read your comment.

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Date       04-15-92 22:11:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Deborah Kinietz
Subject    Rightly Dividing

 DK> No we haven't exchanged thoughts before, I just found your post
 DK> interesting so I thought I'd throw in my two cents, and I am new
 DK> on the board.  I belong to the Christian faith, or I serve
 DK> Christ and I'm intrested in religion because I like to see what
 DK> different ones are out there and try to understand them, because
 DK> some of them are real interesting.
      Based on the Book of Genesis in the Bible, Christians have
 traditionally held that somewhat vague belief that the Original Sin and
 root of sin and evil was the first human ancestors' eating a piece of
 fruit--the Fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil (for
 brevity, often referred to hereafter as the fruit of good and evil).
 However, is the fruit of good and evil a literal fruit, or is it a
 symbol, as are many other terms in the Bible?
      How could a God of live, the parent of mankind, make such an
 attractive fruit and leave it in a place where it could be eaten by his
 children and cause them to fall (Gen 3:6)?  Jesus said in Matthew 15:11,
 "'...not what goes into the mouth defiles a man....'"  How then could
 something edible cause man to fall?  It is also inconceivable that the
 God of love created the fruit of good and evil to test man--so
 mercilessly as to ultimately cause his death--merely to see whether or
 not man would obey His Word.  The fact that they ate the fruit, despite
 having been told that they would die, indicates that the fruit must
 represent something so extremely stimulating that their desire for it
 was even greater than their desire for life.
      Before we can determine what the fruit of good and evil symbolizes,
 we must know what the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was.  Yet
 the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is mentioned only a few times
 in the Bible.  So, in order to determine what the Tree of the Knowledge
 of Good and Evil symbolizes, we will first study the Tree of Life,
 which, according to the Bible, stood with the Tree of the Knowledge of
 Good and Evil in the Garden of Eden (Gen 2:9, 2:17, 3:3) and is
 mentioned in numerous places throughout the Bible.
      Proverbs 13:12 says, "Hope deferred makes the heart sick, but a
 desire fulfilled is a tree of life."  The Tree of Life is the most
 fundamental hope of man.  As Revelation 22:14 says, "Blessed are those
 who wash their robes [of sin and evil], that they may have the right to
 the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates." These
 passages show that attaining the Tree of Life will lead to happiness for
 fallen man.  Then, what is this Tree of Life, such that it was the hope
 of the Israelites of the Old Testament Age and the hop of the Christians
 of the New Testament Age?
      If fallen people are asked what the essence of happiness and hope
 is, each person will give a different answer.  One person might answer
 that it is power, and another that it is wealth or knowledge.  Then what
 has been the common hop of people of faith throughout the history of
 mankind?  One thing is clear.  If the innermost hope of fallen man is
 the Tree of Life, then the hope of Adam before the Fall also must have
 been the Tree of Life.  The reason is that each person retains his
 original nature deep within himself, and thus longs for that which was
 originally desired before the Fall, but was lost.  Genesis 3:22-24 shows
 that Adam desired to reach the Tree of Life, but because of his sin was
 not allowed to.  Thus, the Tree of Life has remained an only a hope of
 fallen man.
      Then what was this Tree of Life, that hope of the growing, not-yet-
 perfected Adam?  Could material possessions have been the basic hope of
 Adam in the Garden of Eden, or power, or any external concerns? Since he
 was to be lord of the cosmos and to rule all things, there was no reason
 for Adam to hope for more material possessions or power. If Adam had any
 deep wish while he was still unperfected, it would only have been to
 achieve his own perfection.  In other words, his desire would have been
 to become a man of perfect character--one who has fulfilled the Ideal
 for the Creation.
      Therefore, the Tree of Life symbolizes the man who has fulfilled
 the Purpose of the Creation.  If Adam has not fallen and had attained
 the Ideal for the Creation, then he would have become the Tree of Life
 and he would have established the Kingdom of Heaven on earth, which is
 the garden of the Tree of Life.  However, Adam fell, and God blocked his
 way to the Tree of Life with a flaming sword (Gen 3:24).
      Since Adam abandoned the Purpose of the Creation, he became a false
 tree of life and bore descendants who were false trees of life, thus
 establishing a garden of false trees of life, rather than the garden of
 the trees of life.  Therefore, in order to establish the Kingdom of
 Heaven on earth, which is the garden of the trees of life, a true Tree
 of Life must appear in the fallen world and engraft all mankind to
 himself.  Knowing that the Tree of Life represents Adam, we can then
 understand that the Tree of Life in the Old Testament (Prov 13:12)
 represents Jesus (1 Cor 15:45), and the Tree of Life in the New
 Testament Book of Revelation (Rev 22:14) represents the returning
 Messiah.  Furthermore, we can understand why the purpose of the
 dispensation for salvation is to restore the Tree of Life that was lost
 in the Garden of Eden (Gen 2:9) in the Tree of Life that is mentioned in
 the Book of Revelation (Rev 22:14).
      In the Garden of Eden, God created Adam, and Eve to be his spouse.
 If in the midst of the garden there was a tree to symbolize the man,
 isn't it likely that there would also be a tree symbolizing the woman?
 Yes, and the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, which stood with
 the Tree of Life (Gen 2:9, 2:17, 3:3), is this tree.
      In the Bible, Jesus is at times symbolically represented as a vine
 (Jn 15:5) or an olive tree (Rom 11:17).  In a similar fashion, Adam and
 Eve are represented by two trees, and through this a clue has been
 provided concerning the secret of man's Fall.  To assert that there was
 a Tree of Life and a Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil in the midst
 of the Garden of Eden does not mean that there were two literal trees in
 the geographical center of a literal garden, but rather means that the
 two people, Adam and Eve, re the center and nucleus of God's Ideal for
 the Creation.  God's entire Ideal for the Creation is to be fulfilled
 through man.  When we see things in these terms, we can see that the
 Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil represented the woman, Eve.  We
 must conclude that the fruit of this tree is somehow related to Eve.

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Date       04-15-92 22:12:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Deborah Kinietz
Subject    Rightly Dividing

 DK> ones are out there and try to understand them, because some of
 DK> them are real interesting.
      In Genesis 3 the Bible shows that it was a serpent that tempted Eve
 to sin.  However, the serpent referred to there cannot be a serpent in
 the literal sense--it must be a symbol.
      In Genesis 3 we also see that the "serpent" talked with the woman
 and that he understood that God had told Adam and Eve not to eat the
 Fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.  In order for the
 "serpent" to be able to speak to man and know what God had instructed,
 the "serpent" must have been a spirit being.  Revelation 12:9 says, "And
 that great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called
 the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world--he was thrown down
 to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him," indicating that
 the "ancient serpent" is the Devil.  This "ancient serpent" is the very
 "serpent" which tempted Eve.  Since Revelation 12:9 says that the
 "serpent" was thrown down from heaven, we know that the "serpent" was in
 heaven prior to being thrown down, and therefore that he must have been
 a spiritual being.
      Since we know that the "serpent" is Satan (Rev 12:9), we can learn
 who the "serpent" was by discovering who Satan is.  In order to know who
 Satan is, we must discover the identity of the spirit being which was in
 heaven before it sinned.  It can be argued that since the "serpent" was
 originally in Eden before being thrown down from heaven, the "serpent"
 must originally have been a being that God created with the nature of
 goodness and a being that was not yet perfect, because (1) there was no
 being in Eden which was not created by God; (2) God creates only good;
 and (3) no good being could commit a sin after becoming perfect.
      Some imagine that this spirit being which is symbolized ass a
 serpent was a being which existed even before the Creation existed and
 was a being whose intent was evil, contrary to that of God.  However,
 with the exception of fallen man, everything in the cosmos exists
 according to one perfect order; so it is not possible that there could
 have been from the beginning a source of evil which was contrary to God.
 If there had originally been two opposing forces in the universe, their
 contradictory purposes would have caused the universe to be destroyed.
 It can only be concluded that this spirit being was originally created
 for the purpose of goodness, but later, while in the process of growing,
 fell and became Satan.  This being was able to converse with man; it
 knew God's Will; it originally lived in heaven; it had the ability to
 tempt man; and this being, after falling and becoming Satan, was still
 able, transcendent of time and space, to influence man's mind and
 spirit, causing man to lead a life of evil.  What being is endowed with
 such abilities?  No being other than the angel is endowed with such
 abilities.  One might ask whether angels can commit sins, but biblical
 evidence for this is clear. In fact, when we read 2 Peter 2:4, which
 says "...God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but cast them
 into hell and committed them to pits of nether gloom...," we can clearly
 see that angels can and do sin. Taking due note that Revelation 12:7-9,
 in saying "his angels," indicates that the "serpent" was in fact a
 leader of angels, we can understand that the "serpent" was an angel.
      Then what was the sin of this angel?  Jude 6-7 says, "And the
 angels that did not keep their own position but left their proper
 dwelling have been kept by him in eternal chains in the nether gloom
 until the judgment of the great day; just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the
 surrounding cities, which likewise [like the angels] acted immorally and
 indulged in unnatural lust, serve as an example by undergoing a
 punishment of eternal fire."  The sin of the angel (in the Garden) was
 the sin of fornication.  Since fornication cannot be committed alone,
 there must have been a partner.  But who could it have been?  The Bible
 tells us of only three beings that sinned in the Garden of Eden; the
 serpent and Adam and Eve.  Let us consider what the sin of the first man
 and woman could have been.
      In Genesis 3:7 we read that after being tempted by the serpent and
 committing sin, the first ancestors became ashamed of their nakedness
 and covered the lower parts of their bodies.  However, before their fall
 Adam and Eve were naked but unashamed (Gen 2:25).  Then when we read
 that they covered the lower, or sexual, parts of their bodies with fig
 leaves after they sinned, we must ask ourselves whether man also
 committed the sin of fornication.
      It is in fallen man's nature to try to conceal his faults and
 wrongs; so if the fruit of good and evil were a fruit in the literal
 sense, Adam and Eve should have covered their hands or mouths if they
 had taken the fruit with their hands or had eaten it with their mouths.
 Yet we find that they covered their sexual parts, not their hands and
 mouths.  This is an indication that Adam and Eve's transgression
 involved their sexual parts.  Job 31:33 says, "...I have concealed my
 transgression...like Adam by hiding my iniquity in my bosom" (emphasis
 added).  Job's words indicate that Adam concealed his transgression, and
 since we know that Adam and Eve concealed their sexual parts, we can
 conclude that their sin involved their sexual parts.
      In the Garden of Eden, the only sin that man would possible commit
 at the risk of his life was a sin involving love.  Adam and Eve were to
 grow as brother and sister, and, after perfecting themselves, were to
 establish the Kingdom of Heaven by becoming the first husband and wife
 and creating God's family, fulfilling the Purpose of the Creation.
 However, when Jesus says in John 8:44, "'You are of your father the
 devil...,'" he clearly shows that fallen people are descendants of the
 Devil.  Adam and Eve forsook God, their true father, and became one with
 a false father, Satan, which is the reason that Romans 8:23 says, "...we
 ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we
 wait for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies" (emphasis
 added).  The fact that we are waiting for adoption into God's lineage
 tells us that we are not of God's lineage.  In Matthew 3:7 and Matthew
 23:33, respectively, John the Baptist and Jesus called the people a
 "brood of vipers"--in other words, the offspring of serpents-clearly
 indicating that fallen man is the offspring of Satan.  Thus we can
 clearly understand that fallen man belongs to Satan's lineage, not
 God's.  This is the result of Eve's committing the sin of fornication
 with the angel.  As a result of this crime, all human beings have been
 born as the "children" of Satan.

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Date       04-15-92 22:13:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Deborah Kinietz
Subject    Rightly Dividing

 DK> I belong to the Christian faith, or I serve Christ and
 DK> I'm intrested in religion because I like to see what different
 DK> ones are out there and try to understand them, because some of
 DK> them are real interesting.

                              Misuse of Love
 Since a tree reproduces itself by its fruit (which bears the seeds) and
 man reproduces by a sexual relationship, then the Fruit of the Tree of
 the Knowledge of Good and Evil symbolizes the sexual love of Eve.  The
 fact that Eve ate the fruit which Satan persuaded her to eat means that
 she committed fornication with Satan.  Since eating something means to
 make it a part of our flesh and blood, Eve's giving Adam the fruit of
 good and evil and his eating it means that Eve caused Adam to fall
 through this same act of illicit love.

 Therefore, the root of sin is not the first human ancestors' eating a
 literal fruit, but their establishing a blood relationship through
 fornication with the archangel, who was symbolized by the serpent, This
 blood relationship is the cause for the Original Sin's being passed on
 from generation to generation.  All religions which try to remove sin
 have branded and treated adultery as one of the greatest sins.  Based on
 this view of Original Sin, we can understand why the Israelites had to
 be circumcised to be considered God's chosen people. It was required in
 order to make restitution for the misuse of the sexual parts, by which
 man had become Satan's descendants.  We may be able to put a stop to all
 other sins through social, educational, or economic improvements, but
 even though civilization develops and social and economic conditions
 improve to the point where we can enjoy a more stable life, the increase
 of sexual promiscuity and of man;s inclination toward moral degradation
 cannot be stopped by anyone.

 The reason that Satan is able to break down the proper order of man;s
 love as the Last Days approach is because the first ancestors became
 husband and wife without the permission or blessing of God and united
 with Satan an their false father.  Their children where thus born as
 children of sin, and not of God, and they established a world of
 faithlessness, evil, and war.  Consequently, Satan has dominated man as
 he has seen fit (Jn 8:44).

 Despite the fact that God created man and the cosmos, He has never been
 able to have the central role in any of the world's affairs--to rule
 according to his Will alone.  Man cast Satan in the starring role, and
 Satan has been falsely playing the part of the lord.  It is for this
 reason that Satan is referred to as "the ruler of this world" (Jn 12:31)
 and "the god of this world" (2 Cor 4:4).

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Date       04-15-92 20:38:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Mike Barefield
Subject        QUALIFICATION TO TO B

 MB> God has not changed His mind.  Jesus said "it is finished".

 So why should Jesus come back at all?  Why is there still evil?  Why did
 Jesus say greater things than I have done you will do?  It seems
 apparent to me that when Jesus said "It is finished" he was referring to
 the ministry at his first coming...  NOT to be confused with the total
 restoration of mankind and the establishment of the kingdom of God on
 earth.  The kingdom of God cannot come on earth until the solution to
 the problem of procreating children with sin is found and implemented.

 MB> Sothere is no more need for another plan.

 I'm not proposing "another plan."   I am trying to help people
 understand the next step we must take in order to liberate God and
 mankind from suffering.  Jesus promised more truth would be revealed.
 That promise is what I'm fulfilling by teaching the revelation he gave
 to Rev. Moon.

 MB> Jesus completed what He
 MB> set out to do.... He came to pay for our sins and make a way for
 MB> us to become sons of God.  This He did through His death, buriel
 MB> and ressurection.

 But we are still living in sin.  I though scripture teaches that the
 purpose of the coming of the Messiah was to do away with the work of the
 devil :

 1JO 3:8 ... For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he
 might destroy the works of the devil.

 MB> OUr response in faith to this brings salvation.  Not by works
 MB> but by grace through faith in Him.  There is no need for another
 MB> plan because did it right the first time.

 Once again, I'm not proposing "another plan."  I'm simply teaching the
 truth that Jesus promised would be revealed at a later date:

 JOH 16:13   Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide
 you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he
 shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

 MB> Moon is leading you away from the Truth.

 No, no, no.  Rev. Moon is teaching an advanced course in restoration.
 Some people are simply not ready for advanced training.  They haven't
 prayed as Jesus instructed in the intermediate lessons.


 MB> The end of that way is
 MB> eternal damnation.  I hate to see that for you.  Turn to Jesus
 MB> while there is still time.

 I haven't turned away from Jesus.  I simply enrolled in his advance
 course.  He has trained his younger brother, Rev. Moon, to take the job
 of educating people who are alive on earth at this time.  You are most
 fortunate to be alive now.  If you would simply pray for Jesus to give
 you a sign you may open your heart and start to understand something
 truly remarkable.

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Date       04-15-92 20:54:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Mike Barefield
Subject        QUALIFICATION TO TO B

 First, I need to tell you to turn off your box quoting in Megaread.
 Alt-b  b  (I think) will do that.  Those boxes won't work on Fidonet.
 Also just send messages to me under my name because this problem with
 messages to me going out unchanged to sysop is bothering other sysops
 out there in bbs land.


 MB> I have accepted that John the Baptist was the second coming Elijah.
    But it was in the spirit of Elijah, not reincarnati We know the
    prophey was fulfilled because Jesus said so.

 TB> With that understanding, why can't you give serious consideratio
    possibility that the second coming of Christ could take place ju the
    second coming of Elijah?  Is that unreasonable?


 MB> NO it is not reasonable because He said He would return with a
 MB> shout.

 But you are ignoring other scripture that says:  without observation, as
 a thief in the night, with no signs... etc.     Well, ok then... I'll
 SHOUT !   How about that?   Are your qualifications met now ? <grin>

 MB> For the Lord Himself will desend from heaven with a shout, with
 MB> the voice of an archangel, and the trumpet of God.  And the dead
 MB> in Christ will rise first.  They we who are alive and remain
 MB> shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the
 MB> Lord in the air.  And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

 In the Bible 'heaven' usually means the holy, exalted, and sinless realm
 which is under the sovereignty of good, while 'earth', its opposite,
 means the unholy, base, and sinful realm under the sovereignty of evil.
 for example, when we say, "'... Our Father who art in heaven ...'" (Mt
 6:9), we do not mean that God is located in the sky, but are referring
 to the holy and exalted realm of God's existence.  Thus to "meet the
 Lord in the air" does not mean the physical elevation of Christians to
 meet Christ in the sky, but rather refers to the development of their
 inner spiritual qualities and their serving Christ in the world of good
 sovereignty when he returns and establishes the Kingdom of Heaven on
 earth.

 MB> Terry, this is how it will be when the Lord returns.  We won't
 MB> be wondering whether it happened.  Everyone will know.

 Then we really don't have to follow Jesus' advice:  Mar 13:32:

 But of that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which
 are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Take ye heed, watch and
 PRAY: for ye know not when the time is. [For the Son of man is] as a man
 taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his
 servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh,
 at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: Lest
 coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto
 all, Watch.

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Date       04-15-92 21:05:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Mike Barefield
Subject        QUALIFICATION TO TO B

 MB> Okay Terry, I will probably regret asking this but....
 MB>
 MB> Who does Moon say he is?

 He says that he was a man who has dedicated his life to the
 establishment of the kingdom of God on earth.  If that is your goal then
 maybe you can work with him.  I sure can.

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Date       04-16-92 07:16:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Michael Jenkinson
Subject    Jesus married????

 MJ> Prove that he wasn't married?  Sure...the Bible.  Not one
 MJ> mention of Jesus getting or being married.  There.  Now prove
 MJ> your case.

 Jesus was not married until recently so it is not possible that it could
 have been recorded in the Bible which was put together over 1,500 years
 ago.  The only proof you are going to find is through talking to Jesus
 yourself.

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Date       04-16-92 22:44:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Mike Barefield
Subject    HEAVEN

 MB> Heaven is a planet.
 MB>
 MB> The air is the air.
 MB>
 MB> these are not symbols.  They are real.

 So when Jesus said "Our Father who art in heaven,"  he meant a place
 like Jupiter?  Come on, you don't really believe that yourself.  How can
 you expect to convince me?

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Date       04-16-92 22:49:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Mike Barefield
Subject    HEAVEN

 MB> We don't know when it will be.  But when it happens it will no
 MB> longer be a secret.

 It is no longer a secret to you, because I have told you.

 ACS 2:17    And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I
 will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your
 daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your
 old men shall dream dreams:  ANY YOUR SYSOP WILL SHOW YOU THE GLORY OF
 THE COMING OF THE LORD


 AMO 3:7     Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his
 secret unto his servants the prophets.

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Date       04-16-92 22:53:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Mike Barefield
Subject        QUALIFICATION TO TO B

 MB> In fairness there is more and that is where the problem is.  If
 MB> he was only claiming to be a preacher.....

 How many preachers do you know who have been visited by Jesus and given
 a revelation about the establishment of True Parents and the Ideal
 family on earth?  How many ministers do you know who were visited by
 Jesus and told that he came to marry and bring sinless children into
 the world?  How many ministers do you know that know understand the deep
 suffering heart of God?

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Date       04-17-92 08:49:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Nick Diprima
Subject     GREETINGS

 ND>  You have a book of Mormon eh? Did you read it? Where did you
 ND> get it?

 I also found it on disk and now I can read it by topic.  That is my
 favorite way to get at the bottom of things.  I think some brothers
 stopped in one day and left the book.

 Look what I found:

 D&C 130:11 And a white stone is given to each of those who come into the
 celesti al kingdom, whereon is a new name written, which no man knoweth
 save he that receiveth it. The new name is the key word.

 And the NEW NAME is:   HINT: SMM

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Date       04-17-92 08:54:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Alan Smith
Subject    Nature of God

 AS> Getting answers to the heavier problems of life takes years in
 AS> many cases. I think this is the way the subconscious works,
 AS> whether it is prompted by wondering or by prayer.  The
 AS> "something out there" answering my wonderings is just little ole
 AS> me, IMHO.

 You are correct about the time it may take to get answers, but the
 something out there is something that consciously created us...  well
 that is the conclusion of my research.  You may want to propose the
 question: "Is it just me our there?"   and see what you get back.  Not
 all questions take years to get answered.

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Date       04-17-92 08:57:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Steven Headley
Subject    QUALIFICATION TO TO B

 SH>   Actually, Terry, a better definition from the Greek is "one
 SH> that   comes IN PLACE OF the Messiah."  Or one that is aginst
 SH> the Messiah.

 Why didn't St. Paul use this "better" definition that you dreamed up?

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Date       04-17-92 08:59:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Nick Diprima
Subject           WITNESSING

 ND> Terry, I must be wrong. I thought that Rev. Moon has already
 ND> died and been ressurected. Didn't  he get viattacked by a mob
 ND> and was dead for 3 days or something?

 Not that I know of.  I never heard such a story.  He was beaten and
 tourtered once and thrown out in the snow because they though he was
 dead, but his followers found him and noticed a faint pulse and some how
 he was nursed back to health.  I have never heard that he died.

 ND> Wouldn't he recieve a
 ND> ressurected immortal body after he was raised
 ND> like Jesus?

 We have so much truth to offer that I find it pointless to speculate
 about such pripherial matters.  I hope no one gets a redneck idea that
 they should just shoot it and see what it is.  Someone told me the same
 thing in a sense when they said that if Rev. Moon came back from the
 dead they would then believe he was a man of God.  But I consider that
 would cause one to miss a great opportunity to work side by side with
 him as did the apostles with Jesus.


 ND> I'm glad you have a Book of Mormon and seem to be reading it.
 ND> As for t he Book of Mormon's sayings on cl┐ouds: it doesn't
 ND> teach the clouds of His descensi
 ND> n to be big rain clouds, but something like unto a cloud, almost
 ND> like an aura of good and power.

 Yes, I noticed that:

 MSH 27:11 And as I said unto you, as they were going about rebelling
 against God , behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto them; and he
 descended as it were in a cloud; and he spake as it were with a voice of
 thunder, which caused the earth to shake upon which they stood;

 D&C 84:5 For verily this generation shall not all pass away until an
 house shall be built unto the Lord, and a cloud shall rest upon it,
 which cloud shall be even the glory of the Lord, which shall fill the
 house.

 JSH 1:68 We still continued the work of translation, when, in the
 ensuing month (May, 1829), we on a certain day went into the woods to
 pray and inquire of the Lord respecting baptism for the remission of
 sins, that we found mentioned in the translation of the plates. While we
 were thus employed, praying and calling up on the Lord, a messenger from
 heaven descended in a cloud of light, and having l aid his hands upon
 us, he ordained us, saying:

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Date       04-17-92 09:13:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Nick Diprima
Subject           WITNESSING

 ND>      Was Jesus ressurected or not? And was His ressurected body
 ND> not immortal?

 Jesus resurrected body was like any other person who has ever lived in
 the sense that all mankind is in the image of God because we ALL have an
 eternal spirit.  The big difference between Jesus resurrected body and
 others is that Jesus fulfilled the first blessing (Gen 1:28) and was
 perfect.  The fact that Jesus attained perfection while living on earth,
 raised his spirit to the realm of paradise, where no other person had
 broken into before.

 ND>     Also, the title "saint" as used in the early Church of
 ND> Christ (1st century)
 ND> meant any follower of Christ, not just canaanized people who hae
 ND> done such and such #s of miracles.

 Sainthood denotes personal sacrifice not miracles.  Some people have
 imitated Christ in such a way that they were given this title.

 Miracles clearly don't make a Messiah.  Moses worked more miracles than
 Jesus but Moses wasn't Christ.

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Date       04-17-92 09:19:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Nick Diprima
Subject           WITNESSING

 ND> Have you read or began to read the Book of Mormon in it's entirety?

 Do you have the "Cliff Notes" ?       The Book of Mormon is not as
 logically and clearly written as the book that I am used to reading.  I
 find it somewhat difficult to follow.  It does not lay a foundation and
 conclude with the startling revelation that explains how, when and
 where the Messiah will return. It does not explain the symbology of the
 Bible, like the fall of man, nature of Christ, principles of
 restoration, last days and the purpose of creation is not even
 mentioned.  It does have good advice about how to spiritually mature.

 HEL 8:25 But behold, ye have rejected the truth, and rebelled against
 your holy God; and even at this time, instead of laying up for
 yourselves treasures in heaven, where nothing doth corrupt, and where
 nothing can come which is unclean, ye are heaping up for yourselves
 wrath against the day of judgment.

 HEL 8:26 Yea, even at this time ye are ripening, because of your murders
 and you r fornication and wickedness, for everlasting destruction; yea,
 and except ye repent it will come unto you soon.

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Date       04-17-92 09:30:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Nick Diprima
Subject    Zacharias

 ND> but I disagree. I do not believe the Holy Ghost to e the father
 ND> of Christ, but I believe God the father to be...

 But scripture does not say that Mary received the revelation that the
 Holy Ghost shall overshadow her, it was the power of the "Highest" that
 was to do the overshadowing.

 Any way, I find your comment interesting in light of what I thought was
 the Mormon teaching.  I thought the Holy Ghost was not God the Father,
 and I thought that Mormons believed that God the Father was the father
 of Jesus?  Are you saying that God and the Holy Spirit are the same
 identity?

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Date       04-17-92 09:53:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Bob Eastman
Subject      God told me

 BE> Moon must not be too bad off for his organization to have
 BE> purchased the Washington Post. Also, a friend from Mass. knows
 BE> of a very large retreat that Moon's church purchased from the
 BE> RCC. Surely your not ignorant of all the financial holdings
 BE> owned by the Unification Church? Sounds to me like you've been
 BE> brainwashed along with the rest of the membership.

 Someone may be brainwashed, but who is it?  You think Rev. Moon
 brainwashed me and I think the media brainwashed you because you keep
 posting more nonsense.  Have you thought to compare the holdings of the
 Unification Church with ANY other church.  How about comparing us with
 the Roman Catholic Church, or even the Southern Baptist church?  You
 only think about things like this in comparison to yourself. How much
 are you worth?

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Date       04-17-92 13:30:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Bob Vonmoss @ 970/1
Subject    << SmallNet 1.F >>

 BV> Jesus has commanded us to teach the way to the Father.  This has
 BV>     nothing to do with talking about the third son appendage.

 You can know that what I'm telling you is true if you will pray with
 100% determination to know.  I'm telling my personal testimony is that
 God did in fact personally verify the teachings of Rev. Moon are true.

 It won't cost you anything to pray, but it will cost you heavily if you
 don't, and it will cost your children and your entire lineage both past
 and present.

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Date       04-17-92 13:35:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Bob Vonmoss @ 970/1
Subject         QUALIFICATION TO TO

 BV> In conclusion John 4:24 teaches us that salvation is FROM the
 BV> Jews, not     the Koreans or the Americans.  1 Timothy 2:5
 BV> teaches us that Jesus     is our only mediator.  2 Thessalonians
 BV> 2:4 teaches us the     boastfulness of sinful man and the man of
 BV> lawlessness who goes so     far as to set himself up as God.
 BV> Micah's prophesies that the     ruler would be born in
 BV> Bethlehem, the town of David, not Seoul,     and that he was
 BV> born before 1920, rather he was in the begining.
 BV> I suggest that you carry on in a non-Bible conference.

 Here is what the Bible has to say to directly contradict your personal
 interpretation:

 MAT 21:43   Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken
 from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And
 when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they
 perceived that he spake of them. But when they sought to lay hands on
 him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet.

 Seems obvious that the Jewish people lost the kingdom of God to another
 nation.  So can you tell us which one?  What are the qualifications of
 the chosen nation to take Israel's place?

 First, let's look at these two ages from the viewpoint of the central
 nation for the dispensation.  God's plan was to have his dispensation
 expand from Jesus to the nation of Israel, from Israel to Rome, and from
 Rome to the rest of the world.  Assuming that the central religion at
 the time of the Second Coming is Christianity, and that the Israel is
 Korea, then which nation would be in the position of the Roman Empire?
 The present day Rome is the nation which God developed as the leading
 nation of the world, based on Christianity.  For over two hundred years,
 America has been prepared by God to fulfill the purpose of the Second
 Coming.  Consequently, the relationship between Korea and America in our
 time is similar to the relationship between Rome and Israel at the time
 of Jesus.

 Second, let us compare today's Christianity with the Judaism of Jesus'
 time.  At Jesus' time, Judaism in Israel was attached to the authority
 of the priests and to the rites of the temple; their spiritual life was
 corrupted.  The Jewish religious leaders had forgotten the traditional
 piety which had passed from Abraham to Jacob and Moses and the prophets.
 Instead, their relationship to God had become only a formality, and as a
 result Jesus criticized their substanceless faith many times (Mt
 23:1-39).

 Today, Christianity must repent that it too has lost its content and has
 become mere formality.  When we think of the passion and faith of the
 early Church, we can say that today's Church has become too formal hand
 has departed greatly from the original purpose of the faith. Many people
 consider themselves Christian, but in reality are living a life far
 distant from the teachings of Jesus.

 Just as Jesus poured out all of his effort to reform the corrupted
 Judaism of his time, at the Second Coming, he will also fundamentally
 reform Christianity to make it a true church which reveres God and will
 also inspire Christians to be those who practice God's Will and Jesus'
 teaching.

 At Jesus' time, Judaism did not recognize the true value of Jesus' the
 Jewish leaders turned their backs on God's Will and the reformation
 which Jesus was teaching and persecuted him.  Likewise, at the Second
 Coming, the new teachings and reformation activities of Christ will be
 opposed by believers who refuse to make the effort to reform
 Christianity, and by the Church, which is attached to its traditional
 authority and rites.

 At Jesus' time, the words of the Messiah were not received by the
 leaders of Judaism.  Rather, they were received by simple lower class
 Jews and Gentiles who were thirsty for spiritual life, or who were
 troubled by their guilty consciences.  Similarly, at the time of the
 Second Coming, laymen who are trying hard to live God's Word, or even
 non-Christians, may be the first to accept the teachings of Christ,
 rather than the leaders of Christianity.  This is why Jesus, in sorrow,
 said that those who would enjoy the marriage feast which he would
 prepare might not be those invited, but those called in at random from
 the street (Mt.22:8-10).

 The people of Jesus' time were born to lead lives of dispensational
 significance, for they were to attend the Messiah and help him to
 realize his will.  They were not ordinary individuals, but had the
 historic responsibility of living at the most important time in
 dispensational history.  Similarly, all people today, and especially
 Christians, have the responsibility to attend the Lord and establish the
 world that realizes the Ideal for the Creation.  We are living at a
 point in time unlike any since the beginning of history.

 At the Second Coming, Christ will proclaim God's Will, which must be
 realized on the earth, and he will educate people to carry it out. True
 people of faith should search for and attend him; and follow God's Will,
 which is revealed through him.  In Matthew 2:3, the Bible says that upon
 hearing of the Messiah's birth, the whole of Jerusalem was in an uproar.
 However, was there any one who cared for Jesus as a baby, or publicly
 supported him after he began his mission?  Let us humbly listen to the
 voice of our original mind and search for the announcement of the
 Messiah.   Let us calm our mind and pay attention to the hope-giving
 news that announces the New Age.

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Date       04-17-92 13:46:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Mark Bassett
Subject        QUALIFICATION TO TO B

 MB> Terry - you said you were going to do something about this.

 I tried.  Mike figured out how to change his reader to send the message
 to me rather than sysop.

 If you keep getting bothered I'll just have to raise the security of
 this conference so that none of my users can post messages at all. I
 have talked to the author of SFTS and I did exactly as he said. Let me
 know if the only solution is to deny my users access to this conference.

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Date       04-18-92 08:03:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Gary Johnson
Subject     GOD TOLD ME

 GJ>  Terry, what I beleive is found in the Bible.

 That is the EXACT same thing the scribes and pharisees said to Jesus
 when they accused him of breaking the laws of Moses.  You are doing
 EXACTLY what they did.

 GJ> And the scribes
 GJ> and pharisees were the ones who kept adding to the law of Moses
 GJ> (Found in the Bible) and they made THEIR additions MORE
 GJ> important THAN the Law of Moses.So I have a hard time seeing
 GJ> what your point is here.

 Points like the rapture theory, trinity, failure to recognize the fall
 of man involved sin of a sexual nature. AND MOST important of all,
 failing to recognize man's portion of responsibility.

 GJ> And tell me Terry, WHAT is MORE sound
 GJ> than the Doctrine taught in the Bible?

 It is MUCH MORE sound to have God's view and interpret the doctrines
 correctly.  That is why Jesus appeared to Rev. Moon and gave him several
 revelations.

 GJ> From my perspective
 GJ> NOTHING is more sound than what is taught in the scripture. Do
 GJ> you agree with this?

 Yes, I agree that the mistranslation of doctrines taught in scripture is
 the reason Christianity is divided and powerless.  We don't need another
 human interpretation. We need a revelation from God to straighten out
 this mess.  That is why Jesus appeared to Rev. Moon. Until you pray you
 will not understand what I'm telling you.

 GJ> Whoah we are not talking about what I beleive. What we are
 GJ> talking about is what appears to be an attack on Biblical
 GJ> doctrine. I stand on what the Bible teaches, not what is newest
 GJ> doctrine.

 That attitude and excuse was EXACTLY the same one that was used by the
 people who MURDERED Jesus.  You would have joined those who MURDER
 Christ had you been there  2,000  years ago.

 GJ> And as far as the work of Christ on the cross, I believe itit is
 GJ> God's will that all men be SAVED from punishment, and that
 GJ> Christ, through his work, through his blood being shed
 GJ> accomplished just that. He took on the full brunt
 GJ> of God's righteous wrath, that whoever would believe in Jesus
 GJ> Christ and accept him as Lord and Saviour WILL be saved.

 That's nice but where do you stand on the issue of MURDERING him.  Are
 you a Christ KILLER too?  I firmly believe you would have supported the
 crucifixion of Christ.  Jesus Christ came in 1935 and anointed Rev. Moon
 with a mission to carry out his work and establish the kingdom of God on
 earth and thus far you have only opposed Jesus' appointee.  How do you
 reckon Jesus feels about you now?

 LUK 13:27   But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are;
 depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

 GJ> And why should I pray on something I already know to be true.

 Ahhh  haaa !   There it is right there.  You think you already know...
 the famous last words... the most dangerous last words and attitude the
 world has seen.  You presume to second guess God.  You SHOULD read the
 scripture and believe it:

 MAT 25:13   Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour
 wherein the Son of man cometh.

 MAL 4:1     For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and
 all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the
 day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it
 shall leave them neither root nor branch.

 GJ> Something that
 GJ> the Holy Spirit has Already made abundantly clear to me? That
 GJ> would be like praying to God about whether polygamy was right?
 GJ> It is obvious to me that the Bible is the truth, and I believe
 GJ> the truth.


 The question between us has NEVER been involved the truthfulness of the
 Bible, it has ALWAYS been about your interpretation of the Bible.  That
 is where the problem lies.

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Date       04-18-92 12:47:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Carla Rygula
Subject          GOOD NEWS!

 CR> >  Give me a break.  No one believes you are cruel and heartless
 CR> > because
 CR> >  you are obeying God's law, we believe you are misguide
 CR>
 CR>
 CR> Since when were you given authority to speak for others

 The same day when you were given authority to say:

 "CR> Often times people imagine that Jehovah's Witnesses are cruel"

 CR> Little do they know that we DO accept transfusions.

 I give you credit to be big enough to admit your mistake and change...
 welcome into the fold on this matter.

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Date       04-18-92 12:51:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Mike Barefield
Subject    HEAVEN

 MB> The third heaven is an actual place.  It is not just the earths
 MB> atmosphere or "space".  It is described in many places in the
 MB> Bible.  I will list a few.

 Thanks.  The third heaven is not a planet, it is a realm of the
 spiritual  world, like paradise is a level and hell is a level.  You
 don't understand that your spirit grows and develops according to the
 vitality elements it receives from your physical body.  When you lose
 your physical body you are stuck at that level and you enter the
 spiritual world at that level -- with NO quantum leap to another level,
 UP or DOWN.  You have much to learn about the spiritual world and so do
 I. If we are close minded, we won't learn.

 MB> How art thou fallen from HEAVEN, O Lucifer, son of the morning!
 MB> How art thou cut down to the ground, chich didst weaken the
 MB> nations.  For thou has said in thine hear, I will ascend into
 MB> HEAVEN, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God.  I will
 MB> sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the "sides of
 MB> the north".

 This is a typical example of how the Bible uses earth and heaven to
 connote living either in the presence or absence of God's love.   Earth,
 and waters is symbolic for the fallen world, while Heaven and clouds are
 symbolic for the purified, resurrected world.

 MB> Terry, Heaven is a planet.  When God made Heaven and Earth He
 MB> made them the same - planets.  There was no Heaven until He
 MB> created it. And His entire creation is after the same pattern.
 MB> The old and new testament are full of passages, showing that the
 MB> earth is a "pattern" of the heavenly original.

 If this is true then we don't need Jesus to take us to heaven, we can
 get there through science and technology.   Do you really think we can
 get into a spaceship and fly there?  Maybe you do?  How much have you
 been watching Star Trek? <grin>   Such a concept is highly illogical
 because even if we changed our location and went there we would still
 fight, quarrel and sin. Heaven is not a planet it is a state of
 existence where the hearts of individuals and families have been
 restored. It is a realm of existence where people experience the true
 love of God.  God's love can be experienced just as deeply here on
 planet earth as it can anywhere in the solar system.  We need to give
 and receive true love. We can get there by going to the Moon  --- Rev.
 Moon that is.

 > Think about it.

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Date       04-18-92 13:18:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Lord Loki
Subject     Mind-Control and LogLo

 LL> Obviously, I hit a "nerve", Terry because I was not specifically
 LL> referring to your "cult"!  But, since you fired back...

 Looks like I was the one who hit the nerve!  I just commented on your
 message to all to give you another view to think about... then you blew
 up.  If you don't like folks to respond to your messages it may be wise
 to keep them on your own drive... cause when they hit mine they are fair
 game!

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Date       04-18-92 13:30:00
From       Terry Blount
To         John Williams
Subject     QUALIFICATION TO BE BE B

 JW> You are secure in your belief that you will go to heaven.

 You don't understand my faith.  When we die we go to the same level of
 spiritual world as the level of maturity we have attained during out
 life on earth.  I don't claim to be so high.

 JW>  If rev. Moon suits you, fine by me.  But don't tell me
 JW> "okay, I have mine, go get yours, you swine."

 Just relax.  Your imagination is running away.

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Date       04-18-92 13:51:00
From       Terry Blount
To         Mike Barefield
Subject        QUALIFICATION TO TO B

 MB> None.  Jesus didn't tell him, Satan did.  Jesus would have been
 MB> lying, not longer sinless, no longer a valid savior.

 MAT 12:24   But when the Pharisees heard [it], they said, This [fellow]
 doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

 MAR 3:22     And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He
 hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.

 MB> Terry, God didn't change is mind and set up Moon.  Satan set up MB>

 Moon.  I am sorry if it sounds harsh.  But you need the truth.

 Well it is strange that two people can have such an opposite opinion
 about someone.  Either Rev. Moon is of God or of the devil.  I can
 remember the last time people were so divided.